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Middelalderforum • Re: Ulv Holmgeirsson og Cecilia Jonsdotter (Utfordring 1-201

20. December 2014 - 17:31
Are, not going to happen. An apology is in order, in good faith.

I want an apology from Geir L.

This is Interpretation 101. It is not "rocket science". High school students are taught it. It is mindboggling how Norwegians interpret the VXI - 151 letter.

The focal words I mentioned in the last post should be taken by you and others and used when you study medieval records. Consider it a free lesson.

I will take this time and space to comment on the previous debate involving Loberg. He completely misunderstood what I was saying in regards to Anstein Ulfson. Nowhere did I say that Anstein died in 1419. I used that date as a starting point. Then, I would have worked my way back in time using the ages and dates to prove that there were 2 men named Anstein Ulfson. The 3 men involved in the 1419 letter were involved in re-affirmation and character strengthening.

I have no choice now but to warn others about accepting Norwegian interpretations.

This is my last post. I have better things to do.

I truly do wish that you wil delete all of my comments on NSF. I wish to have no association with the Norwegian Genealogy Society. Thank you for allowing me some time and space on your forum.

Statistikk: Skrevet Richard — 20 Des 2014 18:31

Middelalderforum • Re: To the Moderator: Full Names

20. December 2014 - 16:59
Elin, thank you for that information.

Statistikk: Skrevet Richard — 20 Des 2014 17:59

Middelalderforum • Re: Ulv Holmgeirsson og Cecilia Jonsdotter (Utfordring 1-201

20. December 2014 - 12:30
Richard,

Please follow the instructions given by Ms Lihaug in the adjacent thread. When you are done completing your profile and signature as described, it will serve as a demonstration of good faith effort on your part regarding further participation in this forum.

Until this happens, very little can be done. You are expected to follow the forum rules, just as everyone else.

Are S. Gustavsen
Moderator

Statistikk: Skrevet AreGustavsen — 20 Des 2014 13:30

Middelalderforum • Re: To the Moderator: Full Names

19. December 2014 - 19:40
You don't have to re-register to enter your full name. Just go to 'Brukerkontrollpanel' (upper right corner), then to 'Profil' (left hand menu) and then 'Signatur' (left hand menu). Finally, enter your real name in the box and click OK.

Statistikk: Skrevet Elin Galtung Lihaug — 19 Des 2014 20:40

Middelalderforum • Re: Ulv Holmgeirsson og Cecilia Jonsdotter (Utfordring 1-201

19. December 2014 - 17:41
Are

I understand the bias nature of NSF. Geir L can attack me, but I can not react accordingly.

I came here respectfully and was attacked.

I prepared an intelligent discusssion on VXI - 151. I thought Norwegians would have interest in a journey to the depths of VXI - 151. I am prepare to intelligently explain why Ulf Pederson mentioned Cecilia Jonsdatter.

I would post here my interprettion on VXI - 151 using focal words such as mention, re-affirmation, intent, proof, voluntary, request, and others. However, it is certain that you would delete it.

Please, delete all of my postings and my membership. Thank you

Statistikk: Skrevet Richard — 19 Des 2014 18:41

Middelalderforum • Re: To the Moderator: Full Names

19. December 2014 - 17:27
Are, my commentshere are also not difficult to understand. I tried to post my full name. It is not that I do not want to post my full name. I see no sense in re-registering with a full name considering my short visit here.

Please, delete all of my comments on NSF.

Statistikk: Skrevet Richard — 19 Des 2014 18:27

Middelalderforum • Re: To the Moderator: Full Names

19. December 2014 - 10:33
Richard,

This is not rocket science, nor is it difficult. You either choose to abide by the rules or you don't.

Therefore: Be kind enough to sign all of your postings in this forum with your full name.

Also be notified that at any given moment after December 20th all of your postings not signed by your full name may be edited or deleted without further notice.

Thanks,

Are

Statistikk: Skrevet AreGustavsen — 19 Des 2014 11:33

Middelalderforum • Re: Ulv Holmgeirsson og Cecilia Jonsdotter (Utfordring 1-201

19. December 2014 - 2:11
Geir Leistad

This is an internet forum. No person expects perfect writings in any language on an internet forum. I am not writing a thesis (where I would be concern with proper grammar). One cuts up comments on an internet forum to accommendate the readers' wishes for a short-as-possible post.

Do you desire a debate on the language arts? If so, we can take it to a different forum (not NSF)

Trust me, I know more about your internal truth then you know about it. I could tell you about your level of maturity and why you are at that level. I could tell you about your four components that make you do and say as you do and say. You reveal much more than you realize.

Now, end this so that the people with interest can have a discussion on VXI - 151.

Statistikk: Skrevet Richard — 19 Des 2014 03:11

Middelalderforum • Re: Ulv Holmgeirsson og Cecilia Jonsdotter (Utfordring 1-201

19. December 2014 - 1:12
Jeg skjønner hverken hva Richard mener eller vil med sine innlegg på denne tråden.

[quotI forgot to address Geir L statements.

Geir L was the first in this thread to mention Asa Ulfsdatter and her possible/impossible connection to Ulf Holmgeirson and Cecilia Jonsdatter. Since XVl - 151 is used as proof by Norwegians that that couple could not be Asa Ulfsdatter's parents, I saw this thread as the place to submit my post.

Geir, to avoid being seen as a fool, please take the time to read the postings carefully. Thank you.[/quote]

Om Åsa Ulvsdatter bakgrunn ønsker jeg ikke å ha noen som helst mening - nå. Jeg slutter meg til Løbergs betraktninger over dette øyensynlige opphissende emne. Min henvisning til DN 16:151 var et forsøk på å finne støtte for min hypotese om hvem arvinger til Ulv Holmgeirssons ektefødte barn kunne ha vært og hadde ingenting med denne Åsa å gjøre. Richard må gjerne anse meg som en narr. men så er han da også "overly qualified as a researcher". Imidlertid er det intet som tyder på at det kan gjelde norsk middelaldergenealogi. Han bør vel heller konsentrere seg om å forbedre sin skriftlige engelsk og dessuten forsøke å gjengi meddebattanters navn korrekt

Statistikk: Skrevet Geirr I. Leistad — 19 Des 2014 02:12

Middelalderforum • Re: Ulv Holmgeirsson og Cecilia Jonsdotter (Utfordring 1-201

19. December 2014 - 0:23
The reason I returned to this forum was to hopefully learn about the Norwegian interpretation on the VXI-151 letter.

If there is anyone with interest in assisting me with this, I will reply to their comments only.

It is my understanding that it is one statement in a relatively long letter that is being used as proof that Ulf Holmgeirson and Cecilia Jonsdatter did not have any living descendants at the time that this statement was written.

Here is a starting point:

Study the following statement until you are satisfied that you have complete understanding, then post your translation of the statement.

"Och særdelis thenna efftherscripna som forst
ær Fforswika strøm oc qwærn j Wadzbo liggiande och Vndadhe
sokn j Westergøtlande hwilka miin fadherfadhers syster frw
Cecilia Joansdotther..."

Are Gustavsen, did you come to that conclusion by studying that letter or are you accepting the "lawyers" interpretation? I am asking to learn.

Statistikk: Skrevet Richard — 19 Des 2014 01:23

Middelalderforum • Re: To the Moderator: Full Names

19. December 2014 - 0:06
Thank you for the reply. Can't say that I see the logic, however, your forum, your rules.

Statistikk: Skrevet Richard — 19 Des 2014 01:06

Middelalderforum • Re: To the Moderator: Full Names

18. December 2014 - 21:58
Richard skrev:
Checking the members list it is clear to see that MANY members do not use their full name. When you pick on one person, especially a non-Norwegian, it gives the impression that you are prejudice. Certainly you do not want the NSF to carry that reputation. Certainly, you do not want others to see YOU as a prejudice individual. You appear to be an intelligent and respectful person. I am certain that you will rectify this issue.

The forum rules state that you can have an anonymous user name, provided that you put your full real name in your signature. That's what everybody else does here.

The signature is only visible for logged-in users.

Statistikk: Skrevet Leif B. Kristensen — 18 Des 2014 22:58

Middelalderforum • To the Moderator: Full Names

18. December 2014 - 18:26
Checking the members list it is clear to see that MANY members do not use their full name. When you pick on one person, especially a non-Norwegian, it gives the impression that you are prejudice. Certainly you do not want the NSF to carry that reputation. Certainly, you do not want others to see YOU as a prejudice individual. You appear to be an intelligent and respectful person. I am certain that you will rectify this issue.

Statistikk: Skrevet Richard — 18 Des 2014 19:26

Middelalderforum • Re: Ulv Holmgeirsson og Cecilia Jonsdotter (Utfordring 1-201

18. December 2014 - 18:16
I forgot to address Geir L statements.

Geir L was the first in this thread to mention Asa Ulfsdatter and her possible/impossible connection to Ulf Holmgeirson and Cecilia Jonsdatter. Since XVl - 151 is used as proof by Norwegians that that couple could not be Asa Ulfsdatter's parents, I saw this thread as the place to submit my post.

Geir, to avoid being seen as a fool, please take the time to read the postings carefully. Thank you.

Statistikk: Skrevet Richard — 18 Des 2014 19:16

Middelalderforum • Re: Ulv Holmgeirsson og Cecilia Jonsdotter (Utfordring 1-201

18. December 2014 - 17:59
First, I can not submit my full name without registering again. Since I do not plan to be here long I see no reason to re-register. I say this respectfully.

My last post was respectful, therefore, Geir Liestad is out of line. I expect the moderator to react accordingly to Geir L.

I apologize for not stating the source. Apparently, I was wrong to assume that others would know the source. You now know the source.

Previously, you asked for more information from me regarding my take on that 1445 letter and why the Norwegian interpretation is wrong. I respectfully attempted to do so, but Geir L is only interested in being the expert of all experts. If he is not interested in learning about other interpretations then he should stop interfering with others who are interested in learning.

I am overly qualified as a researcher, and I accept no disrespect from any person. Now, you can blame Geir L for losing the opportunity to learn and improve.

I am not saying that Norwegians are not qualified. What I am saying is that we do not always get it right the first time. Although I may have an abundance of proof in front of me, I continue to rake through the information to ensure that I did not miss anything or misunderstood anything.

Thank you for your time.

Statistikk: Skrevet Richard — 18 Des 2014 18:59

Middelalderforum • Re: Ulv Holmgeirsson og Cecilia Jonsdotter (Utfordring 1-201

18. December 2014 - 11:52
Geirr,

Takk for at du gir kilden til opplysningen "Richard" ikke hadde noen referanse til. Det er alltid takknemlig aa kunne forholde seg til kildebelagte opplysninger. Videre forskning faar bedre vilkaar paa denne maaten.

Mvh Are

Statistikk: Skrevet AreGustavsen — 18 Des 2014 12:52

Middelalderforum • Re: Ulv Holmgeirsson og Cecilia Jonsdotter (Utfordring 1-201

18. December 2014 - 11:45
Answer, in the spirit of fools:
DN 16:151 utstedt i Vadstena 14. desember 1445 av hr. Ulv Petersson (Roos av Ervalla). Ikke spesielt relevant for hvem hr. Ulv Holmgeirssons ektefelle var. Men jeg vil drøfte denne i kilden i et annet forum.

Statistikk: Skrevet Geirr I. Leistad — 18 Des 2014 12:45

Middelalderforum • Re: Ulv Holmgeirsson og Cecilia Jonsdotter (Utfordring 1-201

18. December 2014 - 11:33
Richard,

First, thank you for bringing this into the discussion. It seems interesting.

Second, you are having us guess a lot this year. We do not know your full name and the text you just published is without any source reference. By the face of it, it looks legit. However, (1) either we have to search ourselves for some time to find the source of this or (2) you might be so kind to tell us where you found in the first place.

So, would you please consider making the necessary changes to your user profile so it will reflect your full name? I hope so, as the forum rules requires all participants to be operating in the capacity of using their full name. At the very least all postings have to be signed using full name ( given name and surname as registered in official documents).

I trust you will comply with the forum rules and then move on to participate in a fruitful and giving discussion about medieval genealogy.

Thanks,

Are

Statistikk: Skrevet AreGustavsen — 18 Des 2014 12:33

Middelalderforum • Re: Ulv Holmgeirsson og Cecilia Jonsdotter (Utfordring 1-201

17. December 2014 - 17:55
In the spirit of Christmas, here is clue #1

"Och særdelis thenna efftherscripna som forst
ær Fforswika strøm oc qwærn j Wadzbo liggiande och Vndadhe
sokn j Westergøtlande hwilka miin fadherfadhers syster frw
Cecilia Joansdotther..."

Study it very carefully

Statistikk: Skrevet Richard — 17 Des 2014 18:55

Middelalderforum • Re: Kva var ein væpnar (og ein riddar)?

11. December 2014 - 13:05
Godtfolk,

Kom vi noen gang videre med denne diskusjonen?

Eldste belegg på væpner hadde vi fra 1412. Jeg har sett en kilde fra Hisingen 1410-1411 som omtaler væpnere, men det spørs jo om dette er "norske folk". I svensk- og danskspråklige kilder kommer vi et stykke nærmere Svartedauden. Det yngste belegget jeg kan huske i farten er fra Skoger ved Drammen i 1580. Noen som har et yngre belegg for av våpen eller væpner?

Mvh Are

Statistikk: Skrevet AreGustavsen — 11 Des 2014 14:05

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